From time to time, I debate with various people on the Islamization of Europe. Today, I read a post by Graham Brown in which he basically said that Islam has been around for centuries in one form and another. That basically, it's absurd to think that Islam is a modern invention out to invade Europe. He also pointed out that extremism and religion may share the same table, but Islam is not the cause of extremism in Europe by groups of Muslims.
Another member, Ronald Ihot made a challenge to draw up a parody of Muhammed and see what will happen to Graham. I reiterated what Graham said, that Muslim extremists are inspired by the same set of rules that inspire other religions to become extremists. I mentioned terrorist acts from Buddhists, Sikhs and the KKK. In this regard, Ronald Ihot made the following statement:
I agree with you that people have committed, atrocities against humanity in the name of religion since the beginning of time. But we are talking about Europe the (western world), how many attacks have the KKK or the Buddhists or the Sikhs carried out in Europe?
My response to that, was admittingly, a bit convoluted. I pointed out the IRA and other politically motivated terrorist groups who have varying religious beliefs, committing crimes against humanity. Ronald then responded to my statement with the following:
You are not answering my question. I asked about religiously motivated attacks in Europe by the Buddhists, Sikhs and the KKK. Which you failed to provide any examples of. Instead you are listing politically motivated attacks, which is completely different. How many attacks have these political groups carried out in 2017 vs Islamic terrorists? You tell me?
He's right. I didn't answer his question directly, because he missed the reasoning behind why I brought up terrorist groups from Buddhism, Sikhism and the KKK. So my full blown answer to his statement is as follows:
Ronald, I read your statements fully. Now are you going to read mine fully? ;)
You said: “You are not answering my question. I asked about religiously motivated attacks in Europe by the Buddhists, Sikhs and the KKK. Which you failed to provide any examples of. Instead you are listing politically motivated attacks, which is completely different. How many attacks have these political groups carried out in 2017 vs Islamic terrorists? You tell me?”
What you’re trying to do is specifically state that Islam is the root of the evil of extremism by a group of Muslims in Europe. That they are the only major religion in the world, that has consistently dish out terrorist acts in Europe, killing more than any other extremist group. What you’re also trying to do is say the Muslim terrorists are inspired by Islam to do their deeds. These were your original rhetorical statements disguised as a question. Then later on, when I provided sources and a chart to disprove your notions of Islamic terrorism being a dominant force, you then narrowed down your argument to that of 2017 alone. How convenient. ;)
My rebuttal was simple. If Islam was truly the one thing that inspired extremists to bomb the shit out of Europeans, or run people over with cars or send assassins after artists for what they perceive as blasphemers, then surely, we would have the vast majority of Muslims from all over the world, every single day, every year commit these crimes against humanity since the Holy Crusades. Right? Yes? Do you get what I am asking? ;)
Alas, the answer is NO.
My point about bringing up Sikhs, Buddhists and the KKK was to illustrate a point that the MECHANICS of extremism is pretty much the same through every single religion and political terrorist group out there. I wasn’t saying that extremists from the religion of Sikhism and Buddhism play a dominant role in Europe. I was merely pointing out that your reasoning that Islam is motivation for extremism to happen within Muslims is wrong. It is a complementary reason, but it isn’t the main reason.
Guess what the basis of this mechanic is? You MIGHT be surprised.
The basis is [drum roll…….] : STRONGLY POLITICAL.
You said that political extremism and religious extremism are two totally different things.
No, they are not. In fact, they are both, two sides of the same coin.
For example, Anders Breivik follows Odinism. He murdered 77 people in 2011. Guess what his motivation was? He felt Europe was undergoing Islamization. Was his motivation religious? Let me give you a few moments to think about that.
His motivation was a mixture of religious beliefs AND political beliefs. He was firstly a racist and at the same time, a far-Right Wing nationalist. He didn’t want Islam to become a dominant religion in Europe. Well he was wrong anyhow, because Islam has been around since the Dark Ages. They did at one point conquer southern parts of Europe through the Ottoman Empire you know? Furthermore, the Ottoman Empire existed for hundreds of years!
So with that said and out of the way, it’s convenient for you to narrow down the terrorist acts to this year alone and say, “Islam is evil, cuz look at 2017 alone! So many deaths!”
Right, because every other year wasn’t important, because every other year proved that Islam wasn’t the main religion that was inspiring extremists to commit crimes against humanity in Europe.
I know you want to pin the tail on the donkey and prove to everyone that Islam is the driving force for these terrorist to commit their acts against every day European citizens. However, you’re wrong. These terrorists started becoming more active in the recent years after the USA destroyed Suddam Hussein’s seat of power, then invested their money and weapons into rebels to fight against Syria’s government, which unfortunately had a very bad consequence.
From your point of view, it’s all highly religious. It’s all about Islam. Alas, you’re wrong. It’s actually highly political. It’s all about the USA and its allies. It’s all about unseating the USA’s power base in the Middle East and causing destruction in Europe to weaken morale. It’s all about trying to force western powers to deny every day Muslims, so they have no where to go, but to be enlisted by these terrorist organizations. They want every day Muslims to believe that the west are against all of them. They want them to turn tail and join their cause.
Guess what? You’re all doing a fantastic job making sure Muslims are being hated for what their small, but influential extremist organizations are trying to make you all do.
Ronald, after reading all of this, I am pretty sure you still disagree with me and I am pretty sure you’re still stuck in your mentality that Islam is evil and that extremism and Islam is one and the same. If so, all I can say is I thank you for taking the time to read and respond, even if we ultimately disagree.
I am sincere about that.